Describe how a psychoanalytic reading of Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness would differ from a feminist reading. Select a passage from Conrad’s text as a basis for the comparison. What are the benefits of a psychoanalytic reading of the passage? Of a feminist reading? What are the disadvantages of a psychoanalytic reading? Of a feminist reading? This discussion will allow you to become familiar with these theories and apply them in a less formal, interactive environment.
Respond to at least two of your classmates. Identify differences between your application of the feminist and psychoanalytic theories and theirs. What elements of the text (e.g., plot, imagery, and character development) did your colleagues focus on? How did the feminist or the psychoanalytic approach contribute to an understanding of these elements?
For the passage in Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad that I chose to compare this passage that Conrad wrote early on in the story along with a follow up passage he wrote in section two of the story. Since we are to analyze this passage within the scope of feminism and psychoanalysis I felt Charlie's reaction to his aunts words was the most fitting for comparison.
"You forget, dear Charlie, that the labourer is worthy of his hire, ' she said, brightly. It's queer how out of touch with truth women are. They live in a world of their own, and there has never been anything like it, and never can be. It is too beautiful altogether, and if they were to set it up it would go to pieces before the first sunset. Some confounded fact we men have been living contentedly with ever since the day of creation would start up and knock the whole thing over."
"I laid the ghost of his gifts at last with a lie," he began, suddenly. "Girl! What? Did I mention a girl? Oh, she is out of it -completely. They- the women, I mean- are out of it- should be out of it. We must help them to stay in that beautiful world of their own, lest ours gets worse."
According to Wikipedia feminism "is literary criticism informed by feminist theory, or, more broadly, by the politics of feminism. It uses feminist principles and ideology to critique the language of literature. This school of thought seeks to analyze and describe the ways in which literature portrays the narrative of male domination by exploring the economic, social, political, and psychological forces embedded within literature."
With that being said, readers can view Charlie's statement as sexist. "...out of touch with truth..." Conrad writes this in a piece that is about one mans story, his decisions as a man and his feelings about everything going on around him. Therefor by allowing his main character to say this passage it allows the reader to believe that the main character has no use for a womans beautiful world, that apparently women live outside the realm of reality, a reality where only men live. Not only does Conrad narrate Charlie to say this once but then again in the second part of the story reiterating his feeling that women live in a world all of their own when he says "We must help them to stay in that beautiful world of their own, lest ours gets worse." Conrads insinuation through Charlie that women could not manage the stresses of reality and therefore live only in a beautiful facade is the exact passage that feminism works to negate.
"In general, feminist literary criticism before the 1970s—in the and of feminism—
was concerned with women's authorship and the representation of women's condition within literature; including the depiction of fictional female characters." (Wikipedia)
The benefits of looking at this passage through the feminism lens is that we can see how women were treated in the past and work to correct it for the future, as we are not just creatures of naive fantasies living in a realm that is not reality alongside our human counterparts.
The disadvantage would be the other side of the double edged knife. While sexism is not right, we run the risk of loosing chivalry to a notion that we of the female race, know is not true, but when we fight to change how men see us after seeing us for so long as helpless, it creates a backlash of inequality. Women know men need us to need them whether we really need them or not but did we/do we really need to scream inequality for all when not all feel the same way. Some women are proud to be of a beautifully naive mind set. Also aanalysis of books can strip them of their chauvinistic ways only to put great literature under scrutinity for something that was a factual reality of the male thought processes of years past. Also picking apart an authors words, meaning, theme ect. is an attempt to understand what the author meant when we all read things differently.
To psychoanalyze these connected passages under the psychoanalytical umbrella that says psychoanalysis of literature "can be the psychoanalysis of the or of a particularly interesting character in a given work." (Wikipedia) leads us to question why Charlie thinks the way he thinks by way of Conrad's mind. We have to ask whether Conrad was simply describing how it was at that day in age or was that truly how he felt about life around him.
The advantages to looking at this passage through the psychoanalytical lens is that we can get a better picture as to why the story was written. What the significance is to having this story published and read by the masses. It allows us to look deep within the context of Charlie's words for the meaning to how he feels and why."The chief function of the psychoanalytic critic is to reveal the true content, and thus to explain the effect on the reader of a literary work by translating its manifest elements into the dormant, unconscious determents that make up their suppressed meaning." (Devardhi)
The disadvantages of looking at this passage through that lens is that we strip away the enjoyment of just reading the words and allowing ourselves to simply be engulfed by the authors characters, settings, tones and themes. Sometimes picking something apart is helpful and other times it just takes away from the simplicity of reading for light minded fun.
Works Cited
"Feminist Literary Criticism."Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, 31 Mar. 2017. Web. 13 Apr. 2017.
"Psychoanalytic Literary Criticism."Wikipedia. Wikimedia Foundation, 05 Apr. 2017. Web. 13 Apr.
Devardhi, J. "Application of Freudian Concepts to the Explication of Literary Texts: A Case Study of Walt Whitman’s “The Sleepers”."African Research Review3.1 (2009): n. pag. Web. 13 Apr. 2017.
Conrad, Joseph. "Heart of Darkness."Gutenburg.org. N.p., n.d. Web. 13 Apr. 2017.
Amy Semrau
RE: Heart of Darkness
Hi Maria,
I couldn’t agree with you more about the condescending and limiting view that this story takes on women. I also agree that the narrative of a beautifully naïve mindset is one that some women adopt willingly. The difference in literature is the overwhelming representation of a single idea of what women can be and a lack of representation of alternatives. It is fine to have a woman aloof and naïve, but the problem arises when this portrayal is shown time and time again until it feeds into a narrative that dictates this to be the ‘natural’ disposition of all women. I think literary criticism tries to make this clear but the difficulty lies in the availability of female characters and the lack of presenting them as anything but a device for male actualization. You chose to point out the overall tone of the excerpts from a feminist standpoint; they are sexist. That is a stance which is only possible now, in the context from which it is written such a statement would have seemed ‘out of touch’ and foolish. I think the choice to use the feminist lens adds perspective that allows us to see how women were treated in the past, as you stated. The extent of women’s subjugation and lower status is contained not just in the presentation of female characters, but also in the use of the feminine in other ways. I focused this on the need to personify boats as women and the way women are used only to further the story of men. When I read the passages you presented and consider the point you made about Marlow not needing a woman’s beautiful world, it cements the idea that women are not privy to their own stories or whole existence. Nothing is expected of them but to be the object of a man and remain a paragon of beauty or a tool in their conquest.
Hi Amy,
Thank you for agreeing. However, despite my stated point of view above, I will now play devils advocate to my own words. As I am quirky like that. So from a feminism stand point, yes, the passage is sexist and paints women in a less then flattering light intellectually speaking, but when you read the whole story and read the women symbolically then a whole new light is shed on Conrads story.
The story is, while still in a somewhat sexist way, literally all about a man and his journey, though literature is full of these kinds of stories about women too, where the male roles of the story are symbolic for the womans journey. Conrad seemingly, specifically, made only a select few things in this story feminine. Two of which were Kurtz women, which much like the whole stories paralleling good vs evil nature, Kurtz had one woman of bright lighted purity and one of savage intensity. The third would be the
feminine named vessel that carries Charlie along the river and deep within himself.
Though I completely stand behind what I wrote above, I felt I needed to further state my feelings on the book to clarify that I do understand the immense symbolic nature of this novella. I do agree that many literary pieces do take an extreme sexist approach in describing women within their stories, however, I believe the sexist parts of this story are to aid the symbolic nature of how Kurtz viewed woman with regard to the standard views of women of this novellas time period. Charlie actually, in one respect feels women are better then men if you read into the words through a psychoanalytical lens that follows the thinking that by not wanting women to have their beautiful worlds tainted by the possibilities of a mans worse world he is helping to preserve womans beauty. It's a doubled edged knife, in stripping woman of their ability to handle the nitty gritty, he is allowing women to be in a category that doesn't need to be amongst the nitty gritty, which men tend to think is complimentary while some women think it's insulting.
Perspective is always subjective to an individuals personal views on life. Open mindedness allows for vast interpretations of all things tangible and non. That's the true beauty in life, to me of course.
~Maria
Amy Semrau
RE: Heart of Darkness
Hi Maria,
Kurtz women certainly do lend themselves to the symbology of the story and I agree that, within the era this books is written, he has presented them in accordance with ideas of the time. From a feminist standpoint, the irony is not lost on me that he writes about women as peripheral tools, in this case only as symbols on the man's journey, in much the same way women are seen of as tools primarily for reproduction or possession in the Victorian era. The use of women as objects and symbols in men's narratives mirrors the perception of women only as objects in the real world. Placing women on a pedestal has multiple functions, one is to exclude her from decision making and power in society, another is to remove choice in their behavior by promoting a metanarrative: if a woman is quiet, sweet, beautiful and innocent, a good man will come along to protect and cherish her... so long as she remains obedient, accepting, virtuous and respectful. I know this is getting a little deconstructionist, but I think part of the importance of understanding benevolent sexism is that it exists to remove choice by perpetuating one view of womanhood.
His adoration for women is akin to his view of them as less than human, they are pretty little creatures
without the will or intellect to comprehend or understand. What I found interesting was evidence that he had no desire to attribute anything to women, even when it benefited him. At one point he mocks the idea that he turned to 'the women' to try to help him get a job. The result is he was able to get a job through his Aunt. How does he respond? He still mocks the idea of getting help from a woman even though it worked, then he simplifies her attitude as a mindless drone eager to make him happy and get him his appointment as though she has nothing better to do (which I imagine he believes to be true). When she does offer some interesting, she is dismissed as 'out of touch' and getting carried away with buzz words. At the same time, he calls her his excellent aunt and relishes in her enthusiastic attitude and pretty ideas of the world. The reflective telling of this story casting his attitude in more sever light since he knows how it will end but is still dismissive of the foreshadowing hinted at by women in the story. Perhaps Conrad as the author is making a statement about this dismissal of women by including the details of there conversations int eh story, or perhaps he was just intent on creating foreshadowing and an ominous presence.
Sorry to go on. You brought out some thoughts in this discussion and I wanted to share them. I don't know if they are 'right', or even if there is a 'right', but it is enjoyable to explore them with you. Thanks
I really enjoy exploring this with you too. Part of the reason why I wanted to go back for my masters was so that I could talk to intelligent people who enjoy using their brains as much as I do. So thank you!
I cant say I disagree at the moment with anything that you have stated or how you have stated it. In literature I don't believe their is a right or wrong per-say because it is all subjective to how the reader wants to interpret the written piece. However there is always the way that the author intended to write it but some authors don't always give up their intentions because they like hearing the debate. From the little bit I have read on Conrad I think he definitely intended his women to be symbolic statues that embodied that time period for exactly what they were supposed to stand for at that time period. While I think that this was a story specifically written by a man about a mans journey I don't think women mattered much more then they needed to matter which is why he left them symbolic and nameless, I cant say I haven't written a character as such because the character was important to the story but not enough to have a life, just a presence and a purpose. However in doing that, it does allow for many doors to open up with questions and possible reasonable answers as to why it was written that way.
I believe Conrads women were symbolic of good and evil as he presented polar opposites and that due to the nature of the stories events and the relationship between Krutz and Charlie that surrounded them, I can see the women being foreshadowing of those ominous events in a way that paralleled the actual voyage into the darkness that was central Africa where Charlie was faced with Krutz's darkness and finding his way out of it back to the beauty.
I really enjoyed reading your interpretations and having you read my thoughts as well. Thank you very much Amy!!!
~Maria
Taylor Wikowsky
RE: Heart of Darkness
Maria,
I found your interpretation of this text very interesting. When I read the selection the first time, I didn't find it to be sexist. Your post was a whole new perspective for me to look at the text from, which is a huge factor in my enjoying it so much. You mentioned in a later post that a lot of stories have very strong male characters and contain sexist undertones. This got me thinking that perhaps that is why I didn't find the comments of Conrad to be sexist. Your post really made me think about how much we accept from society, right down to our unwavering acceptance of the undertones in what we watch, and read.
Hi Taylor,
I didn't mean that all stories had a strong male character and contain sexiest undertones, I mean that all stories have a strong character (either male or female) with sexiest undertones. Sorry if I didn't convey that properly. However, you took from what I wrote what I was hoping you would take from it and that is that we become desensitized. Glad I could give you another way to see the text
~Maria